tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post4796955115243949549..comments2022-04-13T09:08:07.220+03:00Comments on Biur Chametz: Disengage or face the consequences! - IIIZman Biurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05593492318098902028noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-10542117564538829992005-04-13T20:30:00.000+03:002005-04-13T20:30:00.000+03:00so what are we going to do about this abuse of hum...so what are we going to do about this abuse of human rights?Batyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13704018627639047480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-13746499595144804372005-04-14T11:03:00.000+03:002005-04-14T11:03:00.000+03:00Batya,If only I knew.Batya,<br><br>If only I knew.Zman Biurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05593492318098902028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-73922380923073907792005-04-14T13:14:00.000+03:002005-04-14T13:14:00.000+03:00The answer is relatively simple:Evil hates light! ...The answer is relatively simple:<br><br>Evil hates light! What is needed is a systematic collection of all "reports" of the abuse of authority and inappropriate use of violence in a central directory and then encouraging as many media outlets and pundits as possible to refer to the issue and site as widely as possible.<br><br>Even if you believe in the need for "Disengagement", I doubt if you are willing to sacrifice civil rights and democratic process to achieve it.<br><br>I've started collecting articles on www.Dis-Engage.org. All contributions can be sent to Moderator@Dis-Engage.orgYoel.Ben-Avrahamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03833004397515977724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-36678418268221945362005-04-14T13:29:00.000+03:002005-04-14T13:29:00.000+03:00You can do better than keep quoting from obvious r...You can do better than keep quoting from obvious rags like Ma'ariv (owned, if you don't know, by a former convict).<br><br>Try instead Nadav Shragai in <a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,1450422,00.html" rel="nofollow">Ha'aretz</a>. Coming from a "leftist" newspaper, this would lend more credibility to your crusade to document the current fad of "state-sponsored brutatlity".Sharvulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04287632945558341969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-66027860612131456232005-04-14T13:31:00.000+03:002005-04-14T13:31:00.000+03:00Oops, wrong link. Here's the correct one.(The ...Oops, wrong link. Here's the <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/564787.html" rel="nofollow">correct</a> one.<br><br>(The wrong one is much more entertaining though).Sharvulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04287632945558341969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-44017668041871191602005-04-14T15:36:00.000+03:002005-04-14T15:36:00.000+03:00Batya,Lawsuits would be a starting point. Remember...Batya,<br><br>Lawsuits would be a starting point. Remember the shocked headlines a few weeks ago at the prospect that settlers facing evacuation were hiring lawyers, and might tie up the disengagement in the courts? Horror, oh horror! (What was that about the rule of law?)<br><br><br>YBA,<br><br>I'm all in favor of shedding light, but I'm under no illusion that it will make a difference.<br><br><br>Sharvul,<br><br>I don't see the point of <i>ad hominem</i> argumentation. The facts stand on the evidence, not on which newspaper printed them.<br><br>If you won't read rags, that excludes most of the Israeli press. And whether a newspaper is drab or sensationalist has no demonstrable correlation with the truth of the stories it prints.<br><br>I'll quote items of interest wherever I see them. I don't usually read Ha'aretz. Nadav Shraga'i is their settler correspondent. I'll agree that the left-wing media takes the issue seriously when Ha'aretz's police and justice correspondents take it up. I don't expect that to happen soon.<br><br>Thanks for the link. (Both of them!)Zman Biurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05593492318098902028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-39594751192026558752005-04-14T15:37:00.000+03:002005-04-14T15:37:00.000+03:00Sharvul,P.S. I've also responded to your lates...Sharvul,<br><br>P.S. I've also responded to your latest comment to <a href="http://biurchametz.blogspot.com/2005/04/disengage-or-face-consequences.html" rel="nofollow">the earlier post.</a>Zman Biurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05593492318098902028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-32539313788320693932005-04-14T16:04:00.000+03:002005-04-14T16:04:00.000+03:00You're right. I don't read Israeli newspap...You're right. I don't read Israeli newspapers. I read AN Israel newspaper as I believe there is only one that is qualified to go by that title. You can probably guess which one it is.<br><br>BTW, there was no <i>ad hominem</i> argumentation in my post. If anything, it was <i>ad editio</i>... :-) Ma'ariv became a rag long before its current owner took over.Sharvulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04287632945558341969noreply@blogger.com