tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post7535253111870466706..comments2022-04-13T09:08:07.220+03:00Comments on Biur Chametz: Rav Sherlo: Should we tear our clothes?Zman Biurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05593492318098902028noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-83040300438050990412005-08-17T17:05:00.000+03:002005-08-17T17:05:00.000+03:00I believe that Rav Sherlo is incorrect with regard...I believe that Rav Sherlo is incorrect with regards to the law here. As far as I remember it all depends upon who is sovereign. For instance, even if a city in Judea contained only Jews but a gentile nation was sovereign there, the city is considered in ruins, and kri'ah would still apply. If the city is all gentile, but the sovereignty is Jewish, kri'ah does not apply. The fact that the cities were given over voluntarily by a Jewish government means nothing.<br><br>At this point in time the IDF is still there and kri'ah does not apply. The minute the PA paramilitary police takes over, kriah.<br><br>That's my humble opnion.Cosmic Xhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13880746347107372827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-26880745726949372022005-08-18T11:50:00.000+03:002005-08-18T11:50:00.000+03:00I also disagree with Rav Cherlow. The Rambam is cl...I also disagree with Rav Cherlow. The Rambam is clear that any (Jewish) king who gives an order that is contrary to Jewish Law must not be obeyed. <br><br>While I do beleive that the STate of Israel si the beginning of the redemption fo rhte Jewish People, I do not beleive that our current leaders are part of this process, and in fact, I beleive that they are taking us in reverse. <br><br>We have seen with our very eyes, the government of the State of Israel issuing decrees against jewish settlement i nthe Land of Israel, expelling Jews from their homes, giving Land to a hostile enemy nation, relasing murders... <br><br>All these things go against Jewish law. As such, I do view what is happening as a great tragedy in the history of the Jewish People, a desecration of G-d's name, and I do not have respect for the currect leadership instituions in this country that I am still proud to call my home.Ze'evhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07991885367120305777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-68670064095247842422005-08-18T11:57:00.000+03:002005-08-18T11:57:00.000+03:00Cosmic,Let me explain what I think Rav Sherlo is s...Cosmic,<br><br>Let me explain what I think Rav Sherlo is saying.<br><br>Yes, whether or not one tears upon seeing a particular city depends on who is sovereign; that's a technical requirement of the halacha. But the essential reason that one tears at all is that one is viewing a city destroyed by the gentiles when the Jews were defeated and exiled from our Land. It is an echo of the churban, one might say. If we see the ruins of a Jewish town which simply fell onto hard times and was abandoned, we would not tear kriah regardless of who is sovereign there. It had to have been destroyed by our enemies.<br><br>Whatever one might say about disengagement, it does not constitute our defeat at our enemies' hands. In fact, as R' Sherlo points out, as a deliberate policy choice of the Jewish state, enacted for the sake of promoting Jewish interests, disengagement is itself an expression of Jewish sovereignty.<br><br>Thus, one cannot view the halacha regarding seeing the destroyed cities of Judea as a source requiring tearing kriah upon the current destruction of Jewish towns in Gaza.<br><br>On the other hand, that's not to say there aren't other legitimate grounds to tear, as R' Sherlo stipulates.Zman Biurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05593492318098902028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7279035.post-43202386392707451212005-08-25T16:13:00.000+03:002005-08-25T16:13:00.000+03:00Ze'ev,I think you're mixing apples with or...Ze'ev,<br><br>I think you're mixing apples with oranges here. Whether or not the disengagement is against Jewish law - and I could argue that it isn't, but that's beside the point - does not determine whether or not one tears one's clothes upon witnessing it.Zman Biurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05593492318098902028noreply@blogger.com